Do gods exist? 9 The moral argument

Photo – dwarf galaxy NGC 4214 from NASA & ESA/Hubble

Is a god necessary for morality? This is the ninth of a series of short posts about whether gods exist and why the question is an important one.

The moral argument takes various forms, and this is typical of them:

  1. If God does not exist, objective moral values and duties do not exist
  2. Objective moral values and duties do exist
  3. Therefore, God exists

But this does not stand up to examination.

Premise 1, ‘If God does not exist, objective moral values and duties do not exist,’ begs the question. It only works if you define God as the source of morality.

I could just as easily argue that ‘If the morality quark does not exist, objective morality does not exist.’ It doesn’t make it true.

Premise 2, ‘Objective moral values and duties do exist,’ is debatable, although I personally agree with it. I will address why in a later post, and I will outline how morality is an evolved attribute of our brains as social animals.

The conclusion, ‘Therefore, God exists,’ only follows if you accept the implied starting definition of God as the source of morality.

Many theological arguments for God are like this. They are essentially wordplay, trying to define something into existence.

For example, some theologians will make the argument that the universe must have had a cause, and that cause is what they call God. Then they casually add on their preferred personal attributes to that idea of god.

I don’t agree that the universe must have had a cause. But even if I did, there is no route from that to any particular idea of a personal god that tells us what is right and wrong.

I call this the Morality from Creation Argument:

  1. The Universe might have begun to exist
  2. The Universe might have had a cause
  3. Therefore, you cannot wear condoms

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Do gods exist? 9 The moral argument

2 thoughts on “Do gods exist? 9 The moral argument

  1. Demolishing the historicity of Jesus


    A Bible book = compendium of folk tales and fables!

    recounted orally for generations by primitive tribes from the stone age.

    This is the Old Testament.
    The new Testes is hearsay as these gospels were written by the faithful
    not by objective historians of that particular time.

    There are no gods.. !

    Keep Lies of gods away from children.. !

    Forcing religious beliefs onto children is a form of child abuse,
    which scars their ability to reason
    and also limits their ability to consider the world in an unbiased manner.

    ”…exposure to religious ideas has a powerful impact on children’s differentiation between reality and fiction, .”””


    The Bable book is nothing more than a ‘historical novel’!
    Fables within historical settings and with real people of history…

    Pharaohs and Egypt did exist; Moses and the ‘exodus never happened in reality!!

    A global flood never occurred in Geologic history…

    Bible stories are not good for children:


  2. I object to the joke argument that leaves out dozens and dozens of intermediate points before the specific conclusion about reproduction.

    An un-examined life is not worth living.

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