Yesterday Latsot, a pseudonymous occasional guest blogger at FreeThought Blogs, called me a champion of horrible people, a monster, actually crazy, and a weird obsessive crazy person, after I responded to his open letter to me that he had published on his blog. He also called Ashling O’Brien, Dublin Chairperson of Atheist Ireland, a lying wanker and told her to fuck off.
This is the type of strange discourse that I have to endure when asking PZ Myers and his associates (who are each individually responsible for their own behaviour) to withdraw and apologise for their false allegations that I defend rapists, and their previous pattern of older smears against other people in recent years. Here are some more examples from yesterday:
- Latsot, who initiated yesterday’s exchange, twice told me to fuck off and then blocked me, saying of me that: “He needs to be universally loved and he’ll hunt down, threaten and harass anyone who doesn’t love him.”
- Latsot also told Ashling O’Brien (Dublin Chairperson of Atheist Ireland) to fuck off. When Ashling asked him to clarify a comment, Latsot replied: “Oh, wasn’t I clear? I meant that I have no intention to ever speak to lying wankers like you. Clear enough?”
- Latsot told Richard Reed (who Latsot had previously called a rapist then said it was “an unwise rhetorical device”) that he is one of the most horrible people in the world, and the most horrible shit he knows of.
- I asked Latsot to reinstate the apology he had previously made and withdrawn for saying I defend rapists. Latsot first denied apologising and withdrawing that statement, then when I showed him that he had done so, he said that the allegation was inconsequential.
Bizarre as these conversations are, I think it is important that PZ and his associates are held accountable for their smears and misrepresentations of the atheist movement and individual atheists. Here is yesterday’s Twitter exchange, so that you can make up your own mind about the latest smears.
1. Conversation between me and Latsot
Latsot – My final word on @micknugent and his self-indulgent bleating http://lookatthestateofthat.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/oh-michael.html
Me – I realise you are trying to be reasonable in this, but you undermine that with talk of self-indulgent bleating. And I realise that you are sincere, but you don’t seem to understand how out of touch with reality your beliefs about this are.
Latsot – I suppose I’d better copy this to @ micknugent. I guess it’s something like an open letter. I hope it’s an end to it. http://lookatthestateofthat.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/oh-michael.html
Me – You hope it’s an end to it? Your naivety is as charming as PZ’s. Actions have consequences. They don’t go away by ignoring them.
Latsot – Yeah, they do.
[Note: Latsot wrote in his open letter to me that “One side constantly reinforces you because it likes what you say, whatever you say since you’re now a champion of horrible people.”]
Me – You now say I am “a champion of horrible people.” You should stop thinking of people as horrible. That reduces your empathy.
Latsot – Perhaps you should stop telling people what they should do.
[Note: Latsot wrote in his open letter to me that “I can tell you that some of the people commenting on your blog have made entirely untrue and public accusations about me.”]
Me – Please give me details of any untrue and public accusations about you in comments on my blog and I’ll address them.
Latsot – But I didn’t say that, did I? Disingenuous.
Me – Also, can you please reinstate the apology that you made, and then withdrew, for your untrue smear that I defend rapists?
Latsot – I never made that apology as you know perfectly well. I explained what I meant.
Me – Not only did you apologise, you also withdrew the statement. Then a few days later you repeated it. Please withdraw it again.
Latsot – But seriously, Michael. Stop acting like you’re twelve years old and move on. You’re boring absolutely everyone.
Me – You don’t seem bored, in fairness.
Latsot – Wrong. I couldn’t get through most of your obsessive whining nonsense. I didn’t withdraw my apology. It’s just that I didn’t apologise for what you claim I apologised for.
Me – You said: “If you want me to say that I withdraw those statements, then I withdraw them.” Then you repeated them. Why?
Latsot – “those statements” were not the ones you pretend. I was very clear about that.
Me – I said: “will you withdraw and apologise for writing that I defend rapists, and that I defend rapists because I defend rapists?” You replied: “Sure. Why not.”
Latsot – Right. And those supposed allegations are going to have precisely no effect on anyone or anything. So grow up and leave it be.
Me – To clarify, when you say “Right” are you agreeing that you said “Sure, why not” when I asked you to apologise and withdraw them?
Latsot – Seriously Michael, what on earth is wrong with you?
Me – I am responding to untrue allegations, from you and PZ and others, that i defend rapists. Its a normal response to being defamed.
Latsot – I’m going to have to block you, aren’t I, for being the most childish person the internet has ever seen.
Me – You threatened that before, then you complained (mistakenly) that I might be blocking you. Please make your mind up.
Latsot – Being mistaken isn’t the same as not making one’s mind up. Constantly hounding a nobody like me is borderline insane, though.
Me – You’re not a nobody. Stop putting yourself down. Just take responsibility for your behaviour.
Latsot – Stop threatening me, Michael.
Me – I’m not threatening you. That’s another smear. Can you please withdraw your false allegation that I am threatening you?
Latsot – I am entirely responsible for my behaviour. My remarks are inconsequential to you and your obsession is unhealthy.
Latsot – oh finally FUCK OFF
Me – You are now saying your remarks are inconsequential to me. But you don’t determine what is inconsequential to me.
Latsot – I believe I said fuck off. Please do.
Me – Why are you being so rude?
Latsot – Because you are a weird obsessive crazy person. Hey, look, another smear.
Me – Well, at least you are now recognising your smears as being smears.
Latsot – I know I am, what are you? You really are just like a fucking twelve year old.
Me – You wrote an open blog letter to me, you linked me to it on twitter, and when I reply you tell me to fuck off. Is that reasonable?
Latsot – Sorry Nugent, I’m not interested in your droning. You’re blocked.
Me – Yes, PZ did that as well. Smeared, then, when asked to be accountable, blocked. You can’t block your conscience though.
Latsot [over several tweets to several people] – Holy cocksucking christ Michael Nugent seems to be actually crazy. I’ve had to block him because he can’t get over a spat we had a few weeks ago. He needs to be universally loved and he’ll hunt down, threaten and harass anyone who doesn’t love him. Ooh, lots of people are smearing me. But I won’t go on and on and on and fucking on about it. Michael Nugent cries and cries about people mildly criticising him but doesn’t care when his fans say horrible things about me. Good luck, Michael. Love Nugent all you like. I don’t. But you are accusing me of things I’ve never said in Nugent’s defense. Here you go, Nugent fans, I will not answer your blitheringly stupid questions and you will be automatically be blocked if you try. Here you fucking are, Nugent. These are your people, you are welcome to them. hey Mick, take a look at what your friends are saying about me. Mick Nugent’s friends are not very polite to me. He doesn’t seem to care. What a surprise. You are the people Michael Nugent cares about. Nice work, Michael.
2. Conversation between Ashling and Latsot
Latsot – I’ve had to block him because he can’t get over a spat we had a few weeks ago.
Ashling – but you tagged him about a blog that you had written about him, he was responding to you bringing it all up again.
Lastot – And I answered him. But I had no obligation to.
Ashling – Well I know if I prefer not to talk to someone on twitter I tend not a) blog about them and b) tag them to tell them about that blog. if I do either of these things I then expect it is reasonable to have to discuss things with them.
Latsot – good for you, that’s an outstanding if completely random ethical stance. I have exactly no interest in talking to you, though. I am not interested in the idiotic things you have to say.
Ashling – Random? I don’t follow your logic. If I tagged someone the blog was not about and tried to converse with them, that would be random.
Lastot – He can talk there to me, if he likes.
Ashling – Speaking of your blog, I posted a request for links to the alleged smears about you that you say @micknugent allowed on his blog.
Latsot – He’s so aggressive, isn’t he?
Ashling – Latsot – ‘oh finally FUCK OFF’, MN – ‘why are you being so rude to me?’ yep clear who’s being aggressive.
Latsot – fuck off.
Ashling – my, someone is grumpy today https://twitter.com/AshlingOBrien2/status/531094224306208768/photo/1
Latsot – Yeah, Mick is right. Nobody on his side is ever sinister, horrible or irrelevant.
Ashling – Can you provide me a link to where @ micknugent says “nobody on his side is ever sinister, horrible or irrelevant” please? thanks
Latsot – No. i just don’t care. Love Mick all you like. Understand that some people don’t.
Ashling – sorry, is that ‘no you can’t provide’ or ‘no you don’t care to provide’?
Latsot – Oh, wasn’t I clear? I meant that I have no intention to ever speak to lying wankers like you. Clear enough?
Ashling – Being a ‘lying wanker’ would be difficult as I am not a penis bearer. ‘lying frigger’ would be more anatomically correct.
Latsot – Do you understand what a false dichotomy is? Yes or no?
Ashling – Yes I do understand what a false dichotomy is. Do you?
Latsot – Yes. Why are you even talking to me? Well you are so much smarter than me, We both know you’ll pretend I said whatever shit you want so don’t come back here.
Ashling – I don’t think I’m smarter than you, you really shouldn’t put yourself down like that. I won’t pretend, I’ll ask question for clarification. I’m not pretending, this is your blog, isn’t it? “Michael. I can tell you about smears. I can tell you that some of the people commenting on your blog have made entirely untrue and public accusations about me. Those are smears.” All I am asking you is to provide links to the alleged smears that you say @ micknugent has allowed on his blog, thanks
Latsot – I probably won’t answer any questions you have. I simply don’t agree that your beloved leader is either beloved or a leader.
Ashling – to go back to my original question, will you provide links to the alleged smears about you that you say @micknugent allowed on his blog?
Latsot – But I didn’t say that. I said that people on his blog lied about me. Stop pretending otherwise. Here you go, Nugent fans, I will not answer your blitheringly stupid questions and you will be automatically be blocked if you try.
3. Conversation between Richard Reed and Latsot
[Note: Here is a previous exchange between Richard and Latsot]
Richard – Wow. @ latsot redefines rape so he can smear @ micknugent.
Latsot – Surely you are the one redefining rape to not be something you want it to be? I’m saying rape is rape.
Richard – so who are the rapists that @ micknugent is defending?
Latsot – You are one.
Richard – I’m a rapist?
Latsot – You tell me.
[Note: here is yesterday’s exchange]
Latsot – Michael Nugent cries and cries about people mildly criticising him but doesn’t care when his fans say horrible things about me.
Richard – You need to learn the difference between criticism and smears “He provides a haven for rapists” is a smear, so is “You are a rapist”
Latsot – I don’t need to do anything you say. You are one of the most horrible people in the world.
Richard – I’d love to know why you think that! Am I worse than President Assad of Syria?
Latsot – You are the most horrible shit I know of. Is that enough?
Richard – Call me pedantic, but there’s a big difference between people you know and the world! I’d still love to know why you hate me.
Latsot – I don’t hate you, Richard. But we can all look at the horrible things you’ve written about me and others, can’t we?
Richard – And they are?
Kim Swales – I’ve just gone back a few weeks in Richard Reed’s timeline, nothing horrible there. Not sure I even saw a gratuitous “fuck” in it. Comes back to the same old. Make accusations, you should be prepared to provide evidence – or apologise & withdraw.