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		<title>By: someone sensible</title>
		<link>http://www.michaelnugent.com/2008/06/30/did-the-historical-jesus-exist/comment-page-1/#comment-80653</link>
		<dc:creator>someone sensible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 20:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please refer to documents found in India that were written by contemporary historians there that describe Alexander and his adventures. I find that sadly, Indian accounts, which are mostly in-depth, are not even considered, and some forgotten language (Aramaic, e.g.) takes the foreground. Why? Because languages like Sanskrit, in which most Indian accounts are written, are hard to understand and prove that the eastern civilization is much older than the western ones and taught the west many fundamental concepts. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please refer to documents found in India that were written by contemporary historians there that describe Alexander and his adventures. I find that sadly, Indian accounts, which are mostly in-depth, are not even considered, and some forgotten language (Aramaic, e.g.) takes the foreground. Why? Because languages like Sanskrit, in which most Indian accounts are written, are hard to understand and prove that the eastern civilization is much older than the western ones and taught the west many fundamental concepts.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Shankoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald Shankoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most convincing argument for the existence of a real fleah and blood Jesus is the 6 hour crucifixion. Crucifixions were known to go on for as much as several days with the victim struggling to stay alive. If at least part of the story was not true then why go there. This is not to say that the gospel accounts are true and accurate factual documents. As author Joseph Atwill has shown there exist numerous parallels between the gospel stories and those of the Emperor Titus&#039; military campaign as outlined iby Josephus. This indicates a commonality of authorship or at least use of &#039;War of the Jews&#039; as reference. Further there is no reference to Jesus Christ prior to the very end of the first century, by individuals who seem to have no idea who he was or what he did. To learn more on haw the Romans usurped the scriptures of Yeshu and the ancient Nazorean religion visit: nazoreans.com </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most convincing argument for the existence of a real fleah and blood Jesus is the 6 hour crucifixion. Crucifixions were known to go on for as much as several days with the victim struggling to stay alive. If at least part of the story was not true then why go there. This is not to say that the gospel accounts are true and accurate factual documents. As author Joseph Atwill has shown there exist numerous parallels between the gospel stories and those of the Emperor Titus&#039; military campaign as outlined iby Josephus. This indicates a commonality of authorship or at least use of &#039;War of the Jews&#039; as reference. Further there is no reference to Jesus Christ prior to the very end of the first century, by individuals who seem to have no idea who he was or what he did. To learn more on haw the Romans usurped the scriptures of Yeshu and the ancient Nazorean religion visit: nazoreans.com</p>
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		<title>By: Boilers.</title>
		<link>http://www.michaelnugent.com/2008/06/30/did-the-historical-jesus-exist/comment-page-1/#comment-49980</link>
		<dc:creator>Boilers.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 11:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: amin mohamed</title>
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		<dc:creator>amin mohamed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The funny thing is that the great scholars, critics and theologists have not understood how Jesus was &quot;created from the Old testament&gt;!
It is always &quot;then this happened to fulfill the prophecy****&quot;,
and the unknown author/s goes on to fabricate and &quot;create&quot; the story!

For example, ref the story where Jesus goes to mount Olives and the disciples fetch the two Donkeys, one big and one small.  The story goes on and Jesus went riding on THEM!

Now ref to old testament and note that it was prophesised that the King will come riding on a small male donkey, to liberate jerusalem.

Also ref to the ancestor list and compare of Luke to Mathews.

Ref also to virgin girl, which meant at that time a girl of marriageable age and not a girl whose virginity had been broken as we understand now, becoming pregnant and the story of Jesus living in Africa for 30 years, without any trail of evidence.


It is about mastery of sentence changing to suit the story character
and fabrication upon fabrication.  Thus Mark,the unknown,the copy cat, saw the obvious  mistakes  and corrected by virtually copying sentence by sentence, and making a few additional tales himself.

Luke with a different ancestor list saw &quot;good&quot; to tell the story as he saw best, in his opinion.

John, the writer is more funny than the rest in that the word becomes light and flesh and spirit!!!

paul, the self proclaimed torturer and a fugitive, a man who carried double edged bible!  &quot;circumcise but don&#039;t circumcise&quot;.  He went to the lands of the gentiles boldly where Jesus, if true to be, had &quot;refused&quot;.

I suggest we all follow only one saying, and that is &quot;Be Good, Do Good&quot;, for the cause of humanity and stop lying that we see god and talk to God!!!  It is all for Money, right?!/!? 

Please reply to this comment after thoroughly comparing the Old and the New Testaments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funny thing is that the great scholars, critics and theologists have not understood how Jesus was &#8220;created from the Old testament&gt;!<br />
It is always &#8220;then this happened to fulfill the prophecy****&#8221;,<br />
and the unknown author/s goes on to fabricate and &#8220;create&#8221; the story!</p>
<p>For example, ref the story where Jesus goes to mount Olives and the disciples fetch the two Donkeys, one big and one small.  The story goes on and Jesus went riding on THEM!</p>
<p>Now ref to old testament and note that it was prophesised that the King will come riding on a small male donkey, to liberate jerusalem.</p>
<p>Also ref to the ancestor list and compare of Luke to Mathews.</p>
<p>Ref also to virgin girl, which meant at that time a girl of marriageable age and not a girl whose virginity had been broken as we understand now, becoming pregnant and the story of Jesus living in Africa for 30 years, without any trail of evidence.</p>
<p>It is about mastery of sentence changing to suit the story character<br />
and fabrication upon fabrication.  Thus Mark,the unknown,the copy cat, saw the obvious  mistakes  and corrected by virtually copying sentence by sentence, and making a few additional tales himself.</p>
<p>Luke with a different ancestor list saw &#8220;good&#8221; to tell the story as he saw best, in his opinion.</p>
<p>John, the writer is more funny than the rest in that the word becomes light and flesh and spirit!!!</p>
<p>paul, the self proclaimed torturer and a fugitive, a man who carried double edged bible!  &#8220;circumcise but don&#8217;t circumcise&#8221;.  He went to the lands of the gentiles boldly where Jesus, if true to be, had &#8220;refused&#8221;.</p>
<p>I suggest we all follow only one saying, and that is &#8220;Be Good, Do Good&#8221;, for the cause of humanity and stop lying that we see god and talk to God!!!  It is all for Money, right?!/!? </p>
<p>Please reply to this comment after thoroughly comparing the Old and the New Testaments.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Nugent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Nugent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>abucs, I have not concluded that Jesus did not exist. 

I am just examining the independent evidence that is cited most often by Christians. I have concluded that most of one claim was created by fraud, one claim suggests that someone known as Christus did exist, and three claims are not even claims about the existence of Jesus.

What seems most likely to me is that Paul and other early Christian writers invented the Jesus legend based on a combination of:

(a) exaggerated stories about various different preachers and social activists who did exist (one of whom may well have been called Jesus), plus

(b) archetypal storylines and scenes from the legends of other gods that people believed in at the time, such as the Persian sun-god Mithra.

Then, as time went on, the early Christian religion borrowed more stories and rituals from pagan and other beliefs to make it easier for people to convert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abucs, I have not concluded that Jesus did not exist. </p>
<p>I am just examining the independent evidence that is cited most often by Christians. I have concluded that most of one claim was created by fraud, one claim suggests that someone known as Christus did exist, and three claims are not even claims about the existence of Jesus.</p>
<p>What seems most likely to me is that Paul and other early Christian writers invented the Jesus legend based on a combination of:</p>
<p>(a) exaggerated stories about various different preachers and social activists who did exist (one of whom may well have been called Jesus), plus</p>
<p>(b) archetypal storylines and scenes from the legends of other gods that people believed in at the time, such as the Persian sun-god Mithra.</p>
<p>Then, as time went on, the early Christian religion borrowed more stories and rituals from pagan and other beliefs to make it easier for people to convert.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Nugent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Nugent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian, thanks for that.

Can you please let me know where I can find any of these contemporaneous Roman records of Jesus? 

I have not seen any reference to them, including in articles defending the historical existence of Jesus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, thanks for that.</p>
<p>Can you please let me know where I can find any of these contemporaneous Roman records of Jesus? </p>
<p>I have not seen any reference to them, including in articles defending the historical existence of Jesus.</p>
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		<title>By: abucs</title>
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		<dc:creator>abucs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The claims of Christianity are some of the most well attested claims as far as ancient historical claims go.

Of course if you take out all of the ones considered &#039;friendly&#039;, and believe that all the unfriendly sources have been created by fraud - it is not surprising you are going to end up with nothing.

Then it&#039;s quite simple to convince yourself on how rational you are being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The claims of Christianity are some of the most well attested claims as far as ancient historical claims go.</p>
<p>Of course if you take out all of the ones considered &#8216;friendly&#8217;, and believe that all the unfriendly sources have been created by fraud &#8211; it is not surprising you are going to end up with nothing.</p>
<p>Then it&#8217;s quite simple to convince yourself on how rational you are being.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Ian Maclean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Ian Maclean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice theory but one major mistake. The Romans were meticulous record keepers and since Palestine was under Roman occupation there are numerous accounts of him especially when in contact with the authorities during his crucifixion. Jesus was a living breathing man, no doubt. What I as an atheist dispute is that he was not Divine, not the son of &#039;god&#039;, but the leader of a cult/sect of Judaism. Christianity&#039;s rise to such prominence in world history is quite astonishing considering its obscure genesis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice theory but one major mistake. The Romans were meticulous record keepers and since Palestine was under Roman occupation there are numerous accounts of him especially when in contact with the authorities during his crucifixion. Jesus was a living breathing man, no doubt. What I as an atheist dispute is that he was not Divine, not the son of &#8216;god&#8217;, but the leader of a cult/sect of Judaism. Christianity&#8217;s rise to such prominence in world history is quite astonishing considering its obscure genesis.</p>
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		<title>By: John McDermott</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McDermott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael,
 it is a shame you are winding down your Fianna Fail corruption exposure site.Such sites are needed now more than ever as the nation is awakening to the huge confidence trick  that was the &quot;national suicidal&quot; act of re-electing them, in recent decades.
Unhappy their principal opponents are little more than the other side of a bad penny-tought shit-tough times coming for good people in Ireland.
however I will say that I believe your level of happiness will only increase in this world if you follow the words of eternal life which Jesus preached in his lifetime.
If he has the key to what passes for happiness here on Earth-surely he has the answer to all our prayers when we pass from this dark cave,in which each soul is strangely imprisoned, for a brief moment in time; into real Life in Heaven.
&quot;Who will deliver us from the body of this death&quot;
&quot;Death is not the end of the life, rather it is extinguishing the candle-because morning has come&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael,<br />
 it is a shame you are winding down your Fianna Fail corruption exposure site.Such sites are needed now more than ever as the nation is awakening to the huge confidence trick  that was the &#8220;national suicidal&#8221; act of re-electing them, in recent decades.<br />
Unhappy their principal opponents are little more than the other side of a bad penny-tought shit-tough times coming for good people in Ireland.<br />
however I will say that I believe your level of happiness will only increase in this world if you follow the words of eternal life which Jesus preached in his lifetime.<br />
If he has the key to what passes for happiness here on Earth-surely he has the answer to all our prayers when we pass from this dark cave,in which each soul is strangely imprisoned, for a brief moment in time; into real Life in Heaven.<br />
&#8220;Who will deliver us from the body of this death&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Death is not the end of the life, rather it is extinguishing the candle-because morning has come&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Michael

I wrote a less-well-researched piece on the same subject here: 

http://whateveryourethinkingyourewrong.blogspot.com/2008/08/wrong-jesus-definitely-existed.html

Yours is the better piece, but mine features Jesus&#039; grave in Japan, which you may find interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Michael</p>
<p>I wrote a less-well-researched piece on the same subject here: </p>
<p><a href="http://whateveryourethinkingyourewrong.blogspot.com/2008/08/wrong-jesus-definitely-existed.html" rel="nofollow">http://whateveryourethinkingyourewrong.blogspot.com/2008/08/wrong-jesus-definitely-existed.html</a></p>
<p>Yours is the better piece, but mine features Jesus&#8217; grave in Japan, which you may find interesting.</p>
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